Sat 5 Jul 2008

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7 Responses to “ Myths about FISA & Telecom Immunity ”

Comments:

1. Jackie says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 11:34 am

   Most importantly:

   ALL of us need to be contacting our Senators. It is sad day/era that we have to beg our elected officials to defend and preserve our Constitution and civil liberties.

2. Jackie says:
   July 5th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

   Forgive me, I’m adding more. This bill is absolutely horrifying. What is even more scary is it really looks like Rep. Herseth-Sandlin, and if Sen. Thune, and Sen. Johnson vote as they did last time FISA was brought forth … it does away with our 4th Amendment.

   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25283004

   “…TURLEY: Well, this is more like a one-man staring contest. I mean, the Democrats never really were engaged in this. In fact, they repeatedly tried to cave in to the White House, only be stopped by civil libertarians and bloggers. And each time they would put it on the shelf, wait a few months, they did this before, reintroduced it with Jay Rockefeller‘s support, and then there was another great, you know, dustup and they pulled it back.

   I think they‘re simply waiting to see if the public‘s interest will wane and we‘ll see that tomorrow, because this bill has, quite literally, no public value for citizens or civil liberties. It is reverse engineering, though the type of thing that the Bush administration is famous for, and now the Democrats are doing—that is to change the law to conform to past conduct…

   …TURLEY: Yes. This is a very frightening bill. What people have to understand is that FISA itself is controversial. This court issued tens of thousands of warrants granted applications for surveillance without turning down any. Only recently did they turn down two.

   So, the standard is already so low that they have virtually never refused a request. That standard, however, was too high for the Bush administration.

   And, so, people need to be very, very much aware of this bill. What you‘re seeing in this bill is an evisceration of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. It is something that allows the president and the government to go in to law-abiding homes on their word alone, their suspicion alone, and to engage in warrantless surveillance. That‘s what the framers that drafted the Fourth Amendment wanted to prevent…”

3. Guy Smylie says:
   July 7th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

   Jackie Blue;
   If you’re only requirement for factual information is the source must hate President Bush. You will always live in a sad day/era.

   When someone is breaking into your house do you want the police to get a warrant before they come into your house? This isn’t an identical comparison, but it does relate the retardation of the legal process when crimes are being committed. To catch criminals there is no time for a slow legal process. Process the suspects after you catch the suspect.

   You political TOOLS!

4. Jackie says:
   July 7th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

   I don’t think the authors of the Fourth Amendment were tools, nor think anyone believing in the rule of law is one.

   Why is the so hot and bothered in regards to telecom immunity? Couldn’t be because there was warrentless and illegal wiretapping prior to would it? Or that our Govt. violated and broke the law and strong armed telecoms to do so ….

   Even supporters admit this isn’t a good bill. Constitutionally, it doesn’t hold up.

5. l3wis says:
   July 7th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

   How does that saying go?; off the top of my head?; “Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for safety deserve neither” - Woody Allen.

   Sorry if I can’t remember it all, I am in the middle of eating chips and salsa off of a Flamingo platter while framing a Barry Manalow poster.

   Sorry Guy, we left you out of this one, Dick-Bag. Go eat you dill pickle chips.

6. Jackie says:
   July 7th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

   Is it the Barry Manilow poster with the awesome heavy duty coat, leaning back in a come hither type pose? That’s one poster I haven’t viewed in about, oh, 25 years….

7. EggBert says:
   July 11th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

   My green-eyed Uncle Rusty just yesterday told my Aunt Bertha to take down that particular Barry poster - it was in the garage bathroom stall. Now Aunt Bertha put up a GWB poster, but don’t tell Uncle Rusty about it, or he may have a liberal conniption. Thanks!!!

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