2nd Amendment supporters have a gun brandishing picnic

I think I am going to host a 1st Amendment supporter picnic. There will be one rule though, every sentence you speak has to have a cuss word in it, for example, “Pass me the f’ing hot dog buns, Goddammit!” or “Man, this Coke is colder then a well diggers ass.” You get the idea. I might even invite the 2nd Amendment supporters to come! “Hey, piece of sh*t, why don’t you put your gun down for two f’ing seconds and hand me a bag of chips.”

They seem like a fun bunch, paranoia and all;

“But if people do see us while we are out and about, we hope that they will see that law-abiding citizens can carry a firearm for their and their family’s protection in a responsible and safe manner,”

Yeah, because Sioux Falls is so unsafe!

I have lived in Sioux Falls for over 20 years, and I have never been attacked and I have never carried a weapon. Remember the last time stray bullets went flying in a neighborhood it was the SFPD that was firing them. If you think you need a gun to feel safe in SF, I suggest you quit your job as a C-Store or Casino clerk.


#1 hmr59 on 06.17.12 at 3:14 am

I feel that a great many of the people who have too keen an interest in firearms are similar to people who have lift kits on their trucks or too loud motorcycles – somebody’s feeling a little inadequate below the belt line…

#2 testor15 on 06.17.12 at 9:03 am

Maybe the 2nd Amendment folks are looking for their missing 2nd chromosome. Oh that’s right, they probably don’t understand they are missing their 2nd chromosome.

#3 Big Guy on 06.17.12 at 12:42 pm

I do support 2nd Amendment and I am not a carrier. I leave them either in my vehicle or at home out of plain sight, not on me. I never found a reason to protect myself.

I do support to continue with concealed permit, unlike some of people who wants to change the law to repel permit and allow to whoever is a citizen. The reason I have permit is to make myself allowable to safely transport my guns when I need to take them to shop for cleaning/repair and for during hunting season.

I am a hunter, an ethical hunter (who hunts for food, not trophies) who has an ounce more common sense than most of people wanting to brandish their piece/heater/gat/slug slinger/whatever slang they like to call it (it is those kind of people that are actually hurting people like us). I call them by proper names like guns, pistols and rifles.

Ah, about 1st Amendment… (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) (bleep) Gotta love 1st Amendment too!

#4 Big Guy on 06.17.12 at 12:48 pm

I want to make an additional to the 2nd paragraph of my previous post – I do believe everyone are not qualified to have any type of guns, just those who are good people.

#5 Muqhtar on 06.17.12 at 3:55 pm

I feel like people take Republicanism to an extreme in this state that goes too far. In some other states (liberal states) there is something to rally against I suppose. People here tow the party line 100% without ever thinking about why they do it or analyzing it in any way. They have never met or know any gay people but they sure hate them and think they should have no rights. It says it in the bible, right? Arts and culture are for sissies, but they have never set foot in an art museum or orchestra venue to make this decision on their own. I consider myself conservative. But what I see here bothers me at times.

In most of South Dakota do you *really* need to carry around a pistol? Probably not. Central Sioux Falls is kind of crappy but I never felt a need to carry a weapon when I lived there. Parts of Rapid City look dicey but there are a lot of other places to live or be than those parts. This isn’t, oh, Gary, IN, or Newark or Compton or some other more questionable place.

I tremendously respect the 2nd Amendment and support the concept of concealed carry permits. But when you have a group of people get together for a picnic at a park and the only thing they have in common is such a fear of society that they have to carry a handgun, especially in a place like this that is relatively safe, well, I’m at a loss for words. What a collection of weirdos. I also want to know how these people keep their guns. I’ve known people like this and they just have to show them off all the time and at every opportunity as if they have some inferiority complex and want to look big and in control. Do they keep their guns just sitting on the table when they are at home? They always seem to have small children running around. And these are the same people who question why God let their 9-yr old get tossed from a 4-wheel ATV at a high rate of speed while unsupervised and end up in a wheelchair. It’s their God-given right to ride those things, right?

I recently worked a side job where a some guy talked about the AR-15 he keeps in the trunk of his car. Other than trying to make up for something lacking in their pants why would a mentally-stable person think that is something you should keep along with your jumper cables and washer fluid? Are you going to need to go fight in an armed conflict while you are driving down Hwy. 11 to Canton somewhere? Does it get kind of crazy when you cross into Lincoln Co.?

#6 l3wis on 06.17.12 at 4:45 pm

“What a collection of weirdos.”

Hey, that is what they say about us 1st Amendment supporters to.

#7 Craig on 06.17.12 at 6:06 pm

1st Amendment: Even though I may not agree with what you say, I’ll defend your right to say it.

2nd Amendment: Even though I may not understand why someone feels the need to carry everywhere they go, I’ll defend their right to do so.

I’ll admit I have a CCW permit, but that is to simply keep me legal if I am heading to the range and give me some flexibility to transport them. Can’t say as I’ve ever simply carried to carry, but to each his or her own.

#8 Joan on 06.17.12 at 6:54 pm

I have always figured the people that feel they have to carry a gun in order to protect themselves must have an awful inferiority complex, worrying about someplace or somehow they will be attacked by surprise. Actually if some of these big mouthed, smart aleck people would watch how they behave they probably wouldn’t have anything to worry about. You know the type of people I mean. The ones that brag about being bigger and badder than somebody else that is actually just the same way. When I was going through a divorce back in the 80s my attorney wanted my now “ex” out of the house immediately because he carried a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. I told the attorney that weapon didn’t worry me as much as the gun cabinet we had in the family room that had enough different guns in it to either start up our own gun shop or army. However the cabinet was always kept locked. The guns were only ever discussed with certain people, it wasn’t blabbed all over town that they were in the house.

#9 rufusx on 06.17.12 at 7:23 pm

Anybody wants to see what the “outstate” conservative masses actually look like, head on down to JoDean’s in Yankton for the sea food buffet on Friday or Saturday night. Entertaining AND an unlimited supply of snow-crab.

#10 anominous on 06.17.12 at 8:26 pm

“Gun brandishing picnic”? There is a fucking cannon in that park!

#11 D.E. Bishop on 06.18.12 at 9:13 pm

I have a concealed carry permit to transport my .38 special to the shooting range for league nights. It’s fun. Other than when I’m shooting it, I keep it on a high shelf in my closet with a trigger lock and a barrel lock on it.

Muqtar, the bible Does Not say anything about LBTGs, though some will insist it does. Takes a lot of research and study of ancient language and culture to ferret out what some texts are about.

#12 Pathloss on 06.18.12 at 9:13 pm

Sioux Falls is safe but you should carry a weapon to protect from city Marxists and corrupt police. There’s no city employee complaint process and no internal affairs at SFPD. They fire 70 rounds into peaceful neighborhoods, sexually harass female casino workers, make false arrests, & make political ethics complaints without repercussions. Just look at them. They dress like bus drivers coming off a 10 day trip. No respect for the uniform. There’s no arrests for prostitution unless the number of independents impedes the police prostitution ring.

#13 Pathloss on 06.18.12 at 9:20 pm

A concealed weapon is legal in Wyoming without a permit. It should be here. Our crazed citizens can control corrupt police. At least they’ll leave us alone and peacefully wait for their cushy retirement.

#14 Don Hixon on 06.18.12 at 11:19 pm

I am quite amused at the majority of these comments:

People cannot be trusted to carry weapons. Only our true and rightful masters should be able to.

Know your place.

#15 Dave miller on 06.18.12 at 11:42 pm

So are people who wear seat belts paranoid about having an accident? Are people who lock there doors paranoid about a robbery? Maybe carrying a firearm is about love. I love my family and I take as many precautions as necessary to protect my little boy and my wife. Seat belts, bicycle helmets, smoke detectors, door locks, bright reflective clothing at night, and yes a gun. Heaven forbid I ever need the thing but if I do my family may still be alive. That’s all that matters to me is them. They are my world.

#16 Forrest on 06.19.12 at 8:02 am

You people need to get your head out of your ASSES. Sioux Falls lets you OPEN carry for a reason. What do all of you have to say about TX, AZ and other states that allow open carry? U gonna talk shit about those people to?? Its everyone’s GOD GIVING RIGHT to carry a firearm whether its CONCEALED or OPEN CARRY. Sioux Falls WANTS YOU to carry a firearm. If u have a gun CARRY the goddamn thing, OPEN or not. Read this link right here and read what it says QUOTE South Dakota is one of our “Gold Star” open carry states. Open carry is common in many parts of South Dakota and all firearm laws are fully preempted at the state level UNQUOTE!! http://www.opencarry.org/sd.html If you don’t like residents of South Dakota to open carry then find a state to live in that DON’T allow OPEN CARRY!! other then that? SHUT YOUR FACES AND SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT!!

#17 Muqhtar on 06.19.12 at 9:10 am

D.E. Bishop – Absolutely. Actually I think some people *wish* the bible directly and obviously condemned gays. If they can find one more group of people to not have to put up with and have “justification” for it. People love to hate! And if a book says they can do it all the better.
Kind of sad but that’s how people operate.

#18 Duffy on 06.19.12 at 9:40 am

Just because you have lived in sioux falls for 20 years and have never needed to defend yourself doesn’t mean a damn thing. Others have. I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. The day you anti-gun commies become successful at destroying our second amendment, your beloved first amendment rights will follow.

#19 BW Schwartz on 06.19.12 at 10:06 am

Constitutional arguments aside, Forrest, you’re telling me that your imaginary friend has given everyone the right to carry a gun? Also even given your belief in the guy in the sky, can you please tell me where exactly in the work of fiction also know as the bible that supposed right is granted especially considering firearms went even around when the biblical campfire tales were being told?

#20 Scott on 06.19.12 at 11:01 am

These yahoos certainly aren’t changing my opinion.

#21 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 11:05 am

I’m pretty sure forest was refering to the right to protect your life and your families life. I serve in the military and have had a lot of training. When it comes to self defense there is a thing called a force multiplier. When you are put in a situation where you have defend yourself you must be able to multiply or at least match the objecting force to have the best chance of survival. So if the bad guy has a gun you better have yours.

#22 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 11:11 am

Also there are three Sioux falls police officers in my army unit. You would be surprised by the things that don’t make the news. You people live in your little bubbles and have no sense of what really happens. One of the officers I know told me they responded to a fight disturbance the other night and found three people when had pistols on them all with the serial numbers removed. This was in Sioux falls. One of the subjects even had the gun in his hand! So tell me Sioux falls is such a safe place.

#23 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 11:14 am

@ Scott. Who’s side are you on? It unclear by your post who the yahoos are.

#24 cory on 06.19.12 at 12:04 pm

Ok look, we can go on and on about this issue forever. Let me throw this out for you guys. Ok those who have been to lyon park knows that there is a cannon there right. So what if I have an issue with an instroment of WAR being memorialized for our kids to see. The battle ship memorial another piece of WAR that our kids see. The Lincoln Patriots, people who faught in a WAR. The washington WARRIORS. See some might see this and think that all of us are war hungry. So I have an issue with that, but are people going to remove that for me, no, so why are you trying to keep people for expressing themselvs.

#25 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 12:25 pm

Muqhtar. You’re an idiot. I open carry very often along with concealed carry when appropriate. But here’s what you may not know. I played viola for ten years. I have even played with the south Dakota symphony. I also have a couple friends who are gay and my aunt is lesbian. So don’t judge people that you don’t even know asshole.

#26 rufusx on 06.19.12 at 1:05 pm

DE – you’re correct – those infanous “anti-gay” bible verses are actually only about cross-dressing males.

#27 anominous on 06.19.12 at 1:42 pm

Sheesh, a violist with a force multiplier. What a scary thought.

#28 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 2:04 pm

Scary how?

#29 l3wis on 06.19.12 at 2:16 pm

Hey, I think most people here support your 2nd amendment rights, I do. I think the bigger point is that there is other ways to show your support. Having rallies, etc, are a good thing. But having a family picnic in a public park seems a bit of an odd way to celebrate your 2nd amendment rights.

#30 Scott on 06.19.12 at 2:34 pm

Dave, while I may never see the need for a gun I’m not one to say that you or your pals shouldn’t. But I do cringe when I see the “it’s my God-given right” stuff. I also see no need for the big preaching-to-the-converted gathering at the park, as not only is this state firm advocates for the 2nd Amendment but the “Obama will take our guns” mantra is a myth.

#31 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 2:56 pm

I think many missed the point of the picnic. Like was stated in the argus, It was just some people who have a common housest having a picnic. There was no rally. No handing out fliers no preaching to people no signs or anything like that. Just some burgers and hot dogs. Besides where else can you have a picnic with 30 some people?

#32 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 2:57 pm

Common interest

#33 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 3:00 pm

All of you are too focused including the media on the guns and not the people themselves. Hard working families. The president of the group is an Iraq was vet and the vice president is an active member of the army reserve. Also one of the members is deploying out of yankton next week for a year.

#34 l3wis on 06.19.12 at 3:31 pm

Thank you for your service to our country. But I’m still sticking to my ‘guns’ on this one. There was no need to be packing while having a picnic. I have many friends who live in that neighborhood with small children. What if one of those guns went off accidentally? Then would you go, “A gee, maybe it wasn’t such a good idea to bring a loaded weapon to a park with kids in it?”

#35 Muqhtar on 06.19.12 at 4:33 pm

Dave miller: See with an attitude and profanity like that you fulfill every stereotype that anti-gun liberals want to use against you and your rights – just a bunch of dirtballs with a temper problem. Keep it up. Is that how *all* the viola players in the local orchestra talk?

#36 anominous on 06.19.12 at 4:43 pm

Hey, I’m the one who makes the viola jokes around here.

#37 D.E. Bishop on 06.19.12 at 4:47 pm

Here is the biggest problem I have with the proliferation of firearms:

Statistics consistently show that there are way too many gun owners/carriers who don’t really know how to use them, or are actually unwilling to use them. Those people end up getting shot with their own weapon. There are also the legitimately purchased and owned guns that criminals get their hands on.

How can we change those facts? How does an ordinary citizen face actually killing another human being? Having a gun, and truly using it in self-defense is another matter.

I can understand how military and law enforcement people can “shoot to kill”, with all their training, but the average citizen may shoot targets at the gun range, or even human shapes, and learn how to care for their weapon, but that is a very long distance from aiming at another human being and pulling the trigger.

How can we help a gun owner keep the weapon in her/his possession?


#38 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 4:50 pm

Also how does a properly holsterd weapon go off? How many police officers weapons accidentally just go off? One thing this group is very big on is gun safety. My child was in the park that day as well. We all know that our weapons home is safe and secure in a holster. Also we require members to carry in a good sturdy holster with good retention. The only way a weapon goes off is if it is out of it’s holster. The children at the park were more at risk of getting hit by a drunk driver than being shot. Also I do not believe in accidental shootings. When it comes to firearms there is no such thing as an accident. I am an extremely cautious firearm owner.when the when the sergeant in the cage at my unit hands me My rifle I check to ensure it’s unloaded and on safe even though he just checked it right in front of me. Also don’t give me the whole police have more training bs. There is no training at the academy on a holsterd weapon. Why? Because like I said a properly holsterd weapon will not discharge.

#39 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 5:04 pm

De bishop. I understand what you are trying to say. But do you realize that the Sioux falls police only shoot at still paper targets? The same as any other person would at the gun range. They may go through clearing procedures and such but the only thing for them for qualification is shooting at a paper target. They only go to the range once a month to practice on business time. I shoot at least twice a month. Also I do agree that there are people who are irresponsible and shouldn’t carry. But I think most who do take it seriously and are responsible. Look at how many people take driving irresponsibley and get behind the wheel drunk and kill an innocent family. This happens way more often in our society than “accidental” shootings. Yet I don’t see anybody trying to take everybody’s driving privileges away. I’m all for taking peoples privileges away who want abuse a right or privilege. But not everyone’s right should be taken away because of a few idiots.

#40 Dave miller on 06.19.12 at 7:01 pm

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#%5B51%5D this is a good link with some good info. This site does not draw any conclusions. It just has statistics and numbers. It let’s the reader come to their own conclusion. Be warned there is a lot of info

#41 D.E. Bishop on 06.20.12 at 5:56 pm

I know there are plenty of safe gun owners. I have no argument with that. I am not saying, nor did I say, that no one should have guns because some people are unsafe/incompetent with them. What I’m asking is, “What can we do to reduce the numbers of such people?”

I think that if one advocates for easy access to firearms, it can only help the cause if numbers of people who shoot themselves or someone else accidently, or whose gun is stolen, or shot with their own gun, etc., is reduced. I’m asking for suggestions.

(Dave, people do shoot firearms accidently. By “accident”, I mean not intended. It usually does happen due to carelessness and/or ignorance.)

#42 Dave miller on 06.20.12 at 7:39 pm

Bishop. I would actually like to see our government regulate or do away with private sales of firearms. This is one way that they come to be in the wrong hands. Also I would not be opposed to having at minimum a written test for firearms owners. Because there are no such tests the south Dakota open carry group is actually thinking about one day having a free firearms safety course paid for by us or donations that the public and our members could attend.

#43 Dave miller on 06.20.12 at 9:21 pm

I also believe that allowing unregulated private sales defeats the whole purpose of background checks that are done when one purchases their firearm from a ffl dealer.

#44 l3wis on 06.20.12 at 10:10 pm

“I would actually like to see our government regulate or do away with private sales of firearms.”

I would agree 100%.

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