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Pavilion needs new roof

CORRECTION: Remember the cinedome that needed a new roof last year? Well the 15 year old remodel now needs a new roof at ENGINEERING COSTS OF $78K. (Can’t wait to see the final costs to come in on the roof) While this is probably true, we need to take this into account, this is the kind of maintenance we will need for the Events Center over the next 20 years. Why is it that city facilities need so much maintenance?


I also see the city needs to purchase ‘dumb bodies’, I thought we were already paying a hefty price for them :)


Update: The Events Center ‘Ticket Conversation’

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Finally working; CityLink YouTube channel. I enjoy the part where they ham it up about the bad siding on the Events Center. Notice also, it only took 24 days for CityLink to fix the audio on this video. Good thing they gave them above 3% raises.

Su Fu Stu Pu Pu’s the Rapid City Civic Center expansion

I can't even say how stupid I think NASA is...

When taxpayers mortgage ‘play things’

Today during the indoor aquatic center naming rights press conference our esteemed leader of Sioux Falls said that when the city uses private dollars on public facilities the taxpayers win.

Yeah, I laughed to.

He brought up all the grand things that T Denny has done for the EC. Actually, taxpayers win if we don’t spend the money on play things to begin with, and let Sanford build the entire indoor pool complex at the Sports Center, on their dime. And as for the Events Center, let’s look at who is ‘winning’. As I have mentioned recently, the taxpayers are having trouble getting tickets without being raped by ticket scalpers and we still are responsible for the mortgage and maintenance on the facility, even if it is profitable and runs in the black. As taxpayers we really are the losers when it comes to the EC.

Which brings us to Mr. Whitney’s story in the Argus today. Stu says it would be a very bad investment for Rapid City to build the current plan of the new civic center in Rapid City. But he goes a step further and says we did it right in Sioux Falls by only incurring a possible $173 million dollar debt. Trust me, it will be a lot more, once you figure in maintenance and unforeseen problems.

Let’s say for a moment I supported the Events Center, I think one of the things I would have been vocal about as a supporter before the vote is that we don’t build it on the cheap. Apparently we didn’t learn the lesson from the Washington Pavilion which was slated as a $20 million dollar remodel that has probably surpassed $50 million in just 14 years. If you think for a moment that there will be NO more additional costs to the Events Center over the next 20 years besides a mortgage, you are eating some good Colorado Brownies.

I will commend Rapid City on one element of their civic center plan, they are building it for the future, and they are not afraid to spend the money to get it right the first time. Or at least that is their argument.

I think five years from now we will all be scratching our heads as to why the EC wasn’t built bigger and why the place is in a constant state of repair. Heck the place just opened and the siding is inferior (which was brought to the city’s attention before it opened) and flooring on the second floor has so many cracks in it if you were a superstitious person your mother would have a broken back.

So while I will agree with Su Fu’s new superstar journalist that RC should nix the plan, I just wish Stu was this vocal about our ‘on the cheap’ EC plan instead of cheerleading like a 14 year old girl behind the mayor. But I guess we all don’t have wet dreams over HS basketball tournaments.

The Events Center ‘Investment’

There was often a lot of talk to the run-up to the vote for the Events Center about ‘economic impact’. But was that ‘impact’ ever really broken down? And who is benefitting (economically) the most?

In all fairness the mortgage on this facility, to reach probably well over $180 million (not including operations and maintenance over the next 30 years) will be paid for out of the CIP, one of two pennies the city gets from sales taxes.  So in some ways visitors to our city and EC will help pay that mortgage. But even if the sales generated from the EC (lodging, fuel, food, tickets, etc.) was around $200 or $300 million a year that is only $2-3 million into the CIP, a far cry from our $10 million dollar mortgage each year. The comparison kind of reminds of how much taxpayers have put into platting fees versus the developers.

Also factor in whether the place will stay in the black with operations, maintenance, upgrades, etc. Even with sponsorships, it may squeak by, and on a generous note, if the EC actually makes the city a profit each year, will that money go into the CIP to help pay the mortgage? A question that has only been vaguely answered by several city officials saying the same thing, “That’s a possibility.” Which means . . . NO.

Let’s face it, if the facility does make a profit, we may never know, because profits will quickly be eaten up by the managing companies that run the facility and promoters. I have a feeling we will magically always end just a little in the black each year, with someone else besides the lowly citizens of SF enjoying the spoils.

So besides the public supposedly benefitting from this economic impact (we will get to that in a moment) who else has REALLY benefitted (economically) from the EC’s construction?

– The bonding company that sold the bonds gets a percentage of the sale, instead just a flat fee.

– Mortenson and several contractors have benefitted, and depending on how the siding gets fixed, they may also come out smelling like roses on that also.

– Hotels, restaurants and other businesses that see an uptick in business when an event comes to town.

– Ticket brokers and scalpers are making a mint from the convoluted way the EC sells tickets. Pre-sales to fan clubs, naming sponsor employees and several other ‘gimmicky’ ways tickets are pre-sold. Something the city claims they ‘can do nothing about’ even though they could implement a city ordinance that bans out-of-state ticket sales until after tickets are sold to the general public.

So what benefit is there to the General Public?

Besides the trickling in of a few million to the CIP, the public really isn’t getting any economic benefit from the Events Center, except another bond to pay off, money that could be spent on better parks, roads, water and sewer, and host of all kinds of other things that actually improve quality of life in Sioux Falls besides a top-40 country concert or a bull riding circus. And most of these things we don’t have to pay for out of pocket after standing in line for 18 hours.

Okay, so we determined the economic impact to our personal wallets isn’t really there, so what about quality of life? Is overpaying and finding it difficult to purchase affordable tickets to the EC for a couple of concerts a year really worth our mortgage? Personally I don’t think it is, and that is why I voted against the facility. The math wasn’t just fuzzy, it just doesn’t add up.

But even those who voted for the place and are willing to go see the latest ass in cowboy hat play the place, do you find any value in the facility or how it may have improved your life? That will be the hard question we will be asking over the next couple of years, as tickets get more expensive, maintenance and operational costs go up and a possible lawsuit that we will probably lose over the siding come to surface.

So enjoy your new events center Sioux Falls commoner, because we sure are paying a Helluva a lot for it and not getting much in return except a mortgage bill.

SF City Council Public Input 1/6/15

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The continuing saga of Quit Claim Deeds and legal Occupancy Permits highlight our coverage of Sioux Falls City Council Public Input are a great way to start a new year.

Dan Daily actually thanks the Mayor for sending proof the city is operating the T Denny Sanford Events Center illegally after the last Shut-up and Listen session.

He points out two things,

1. The Spellerberg Quit Claim Deed has holes in it requiring it to be settled properly before work is done.

2.The other item adds a twist to the EC. The city may have issued themselves one temporary occupancy permit but was filed wrong making it null and void.

READ Dan’s testimony here: (Doc: QCD-OP )

What a city!

Events Center Siding update and other ‘little birdy’ news about Sioux Falls

A couple of sources confirmed to me today that the city definitely had a meeting last week to talk about re-siding the Events Center, and while it was decided that it will be re-done, the bigger question remains, “Who is footing the bill?”

Also, another bird landed on my shoulder and told me that the Parks and Rec department had to ‘recruit’ people to be on the Indoor Aquatics Center design committee after apparently the desired ‘kind’ of people did not apply. The city announced on November 24 they had 50 applicants, but I think some serious ‘scrubbing’ was going on. If this is true, I find it interesting that something that is supposedly so popular and needed that the city would have to recruit (cherry pick) people? I would have thought that would have been an easy list to fill.

Lastly, I guess all the grand development that is supposed to occur around the Events Center just had another bump in the road;

A recent auction failed to land a buyer for the property that used to be The Oaks Hotel & Convention Center. The land at 3300 W. Russell St. generated a lot of interest, according to Yvette VanDerBrink of VanDerBrink Auctions, but offers weren’t high enough . . .

Pretty sad when you can’t even auction off a blank plot of land less then a mile from the Events Center.

City is operating the Events Center with a ‘Temporary Occupancy Permit’

As discussed on Saturday with the Mayor, it seems the EC only has a temporary occupancy permit,


Since August 1, the city has been holding events without final inspections being approved (as noted in the document).

If our EC is truly ‘finished’ and we are using it, what is the hold up on a final occupancy permit? Can restaurants sell food before a final inspection? Can a home be lived in without final inspection? Not sure, but I would certainly think we would want a permanent occupancy permit before putting on sold out events.

As we have seen in the siding debacle (so far) from MJ Dalsin, that the city and Mortenson wanted to cut corners and cost, that is why the job by McGrath was so poorly done. With this temporary permit, it makes you wonder what other corners were cut to keep this facility under budget.

I have a feeling the siding is just the tip of the iceberg.

UPDATE: Lien on Me

UPDATE: As we have suspected all along at DaCola, the city and Mortenson forced the crappy siding job. Steve Young (BTW, Great Reporting) got Dalsin to spill the beans.

These were my theories;

1) Koch Hazard actually designed a paneling system that was workable, and Dalsin agreed to apply it.

TRUE. As I was digging through some of the first drawings of the EC, I noticed the panels were hexagonal in nature. These were the designs that were supposed to be used, but Mortenson and the city rejected them to SAVE money;

But Kuik and Dalsin dispute the claim that their company is responsible for designing, specifying and installing the metal panels on the west side of the center that appear to be bulging, creating a rippling effect on the curved face of the building.

Kuik said a mockup of the wall that was fabricated in Dalsin’s yard at Mortenson’s request showed what he called “deflection in the end swedge panel joints of the flush panels.”

Everybody looked at and saw that deflection issue, Kuik said, including city public works director Mark Cotter, as well as the Koch Hazard Architects design team and Mortenson officials.

Cotter has said in the past that the bulging panels were not something he saw in the mockup. Kuik apparently disagrees.

That mockup was built to replicate the design and curve of the west side facing Western Avenue, Kuik said, though he reiterated that his company was not involved in the design or specifications for the wall. In fact, he noted that a preliminary design by Koch Hazard called for an insulated composite metal wall panel, but that it was scrapped for a corrugated and flush metal panel that came in $3 million cheaper.


Hazard designed it correctly. Dalsin agreed to go with that design, then the city and Mortenson came in and said, Notta-Collata.

Make no mistake, just because Cotter is 3rd in charge in the city, doesn’t mean he makes these kind of decisions on his own. Think about it kids, think about it.

Here is Dalsin’s press release that goes into more detail (DSPC West Radius Metal Wall Panel Information)


We once again get to see our intrepid City Attorney David Fiddle-Faddle dance. This time around the M.J. Dalsin lien during Tuesday December 9, 2014 City Council Informational. He really fancies himself to be a smooth mover.

Kermit Staggers asked him several straight up questions and Fiddle-Faddle gave several left and right answers. If you remember one of our earlier videos, David told us how experienced and successful he was in these types of issues ( check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo-R4… ).

If you build a house you can’t move in until the building inspectors give you an occupancy permit. If you build a building for your business, you can’t use it until the building inspectors give you an occupancy permit. In Sioux Falls recently, the building inspectors did not show up before the scheduled opening of a business and it almost had to postpone the grand opening.

If you moved into your house without one, Fiddle Faddle and crew would issue a Notice to Abate, tag your door, take you to jail or other “official” documents to force you out.

What about the Sanford Event Center? There has been no occupancy permit made public. Why is this? Consider this, if the inspector issues an occupancy permit to an unfinished building and something happens, the inspector who signed it could be brought up on murder charges. This has happened in many other cities. Look it up, it is interesting.

Why does the city operate a building with thousands of people inside with different rules than we citizens have to follow? If something happens in the building or on the grounds, would the building’s insurance company cover the losses?

Who or what is the city and its officials hiding from us. You will love Fiddle Faddle’s claims of transparency, HA!

We just want answers and M.J. Dalsin just wants their money.

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Events Center Siding Fiasco heating up

Not sure what to think of Item #7, but I am guessing the blame game has begun.

Here is the full document here, it’s a long one (Dalsin-Lien)



I love this page, we have no idea what EC contractors were awarded until they have to file court documents;


Rapid City council votes to build new Arena without a vote of the people

Well, I hope they don’t hire Mortenson to handle the project, besides we have them tied up fixing our siding, on site and probably in a court room.

It looks like it will still probably go to a public vote though;

Rapid City officials have approved spending $180 million to build a new civic center arena.

The city council voted 7-3 on Monday in favor of the project after more than three hours of testimony and debate. Local sales tax money would repay the $180 million the city would seek in bonds for the arena, which could seat up to 19,000 people.

A resident started distributing a petition for a binding public vote on the expansion just moments after the council’s vote. The campaign needs roughly 2,000 signatures to force a referendum on the council’s decision.

I know that the mayor of RC said yesterday he would like to see it go to a vote. I hope they are successful in their referendum in getting it on the ballot. If that happens it will be interesting to see how the vote comes down.