Lots of jobs in Sioux Falls

Now if we can work on wage collusion, living wages and right to work laws, we just might just deserve to be on this list.



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#1 Erica on 12.20.19 at 7:11 pm

What exactly is a living wage and why do you want the govt getting in between you and your employer when it comes to wages?
And why exactly do you think “right to work” would make it better here? I have lived in “right to work” states and it isn’t as cracked up as many think it is.

#2 "Very Stable Genius" on 12.20.19 at 7:30 pm

So, what is it that NDSU, Harvard & MIT, and Southeast Tech all have in common? That’s right, their hometowns all made the list as the top three…. #OnlyInAmerica

One of the major reasons that Sioux Falls makes this list is because of the revolving door reality of employment in this town for many. Especially, if they are in sales and telesales definitely. These sales jobs include ridiculous sales goals and a high burn-out level, which causes local employers to constantly be hiring for jobs that are already filled, which then distorts the true employment needs in this town.

Millennials greater willingness, than Boomers, to change jobs on a frequent basis also adds to this reality in Sioux Falls, which employers then use to further push and justify crazy sales goals for their employees, which in turn, causes a demand for employees, who are both working at a job while preparing to take a new job.

This overall revolving door reality in our town creates an artificially deflated unemployment rate. If we returned to old norms, then our employment rate in this town would be higher, but this revolving reality and its building momentum create a false reality to what is really going on, and in so doing, creates its own gravitational pull, which is at odds with norms, that the suggestion of a generally hot job markets hint usually suggests, when one still judges too often by past norms.

#3 l3wis on 12.21.19 at 9:09 am

A living wage in SF has been defined at or around $16 per hour, SD is already a right to work state, and yes, it sucks

#4 D@ily Spin on 12.21.19 at 9:25 am

Noem announced immigration into the state will continue despite Trump curbing it nationally. Yes, there are jobs but immigrants work cheaper while the living wage stays constant.

#5 Unstable genius on 12.21.19 at 11:01 am

$16 seems low to me. Why don’t we make minimum wage $30? Maybe even $40. I mean, it’s not like costs of everything would go up and make the raises irrelevant. Oh, wait…

#6 l3wis on 12.21.19 at 11:18 am

When I hear people argue against higher wages, I use a simple cliche to explain why it is a good thing, “A rising tide lifts all boats.” In other words, when you pay people more, they spend more, which not only helps the economy in the private sector, it also helps tax collection, which provides us more money for infrastructure maintenance. I have never understood the philosophy that keeping wages down helps the bottom line of private business. Phooey. If your employees are spending more money, that helps local business. That is why I have a gigantic issue with where the Denty was built and it’s management model. All that place is, is a money vacuum. Besides the tax revenue, most of the money made at the Denty goes straight out the door. By looking at tax revenue, I have figured that the place has around $20 million in sales a year. Where does that money go? Not to city coffers. Besides the operating expenses that are covered by revenue and mostly sponsorships, citizen taxpayers dump well over $10 million a year in mortgage and maintenance costs. I think if they restructured the sales of the Denty we could have the place pay it’s own way.

#7 "Very Stable Genius" on 12.21.19 at 11:35 am

Say, Unstable, if it wasn’t for the minimum wage laws in this country, we would all be making much less.

To steal a market force idea from a conservative, the minimum wage laws, or a call for higher wages in general, are all market forces, which any conservative should appreciate.

#8 scott on 12.21.19 at 12:17 pm

the south dakota mentality is “everyone makes too much money, but me.”

#9 matt johnson on 12.21.19 at 12:49 pm

mandated wages and price controls have not/do not/ and will not work. When these “living” wages are imposed jobs are lost. These minimum wages also force wages up across the board as experienced workers also demand increases that are not justified for the work being performed- or have you not eaten at McDonalds lately?

#10 l3wis on 12.21.19 at 1:53 pm

I’m certainly not saying government should mandate higher wages, but there are things they can do that can push businesses to pay more.

1) Eliminate right to work laws. They protect employers not employees.

2) End wage collusion by mandating that businesses list the wages in employment ads.

3) Medicare or insurance for all like in Germany and France where the bigger pool brings down the cost. Not only will it bring healthcare costs down, it will get employers out of the business of providing insurance for employees.

4) FREE workforce training and education provided by the government and a tax on businesses.

5) Make it easier to create a union in the state.

There are also a lot of other things government can do to bring wages up.

#11 The Guy from Guernsey on 12.21.19 at 4:13 pm

“minimum wage laws … are market forces” huh?
Is this what is taught in the business and economics depts @ USD?
Most would consider minimum wage laws as an artificial threshhold which overrides natural “market forces’.

#12 The Guy from Guernsey on 12.21.19 at 4:34 pm

I have some belief about the collusive nature of the labor market in this town
But help me understand this – in what way is remedy provided to collusion by requiring businesses to list wage or salary information for all positions?
Collusion requires sharing of business information. In the case of sharing price and colluding to increase price, this is illegal.
Requiring that businesses advertise wages and salaries actually facilitates sharing of information; makes it easier for businesses to collude, IMO.

#13 "Very Stable Genius" on 12.21.19 at 5:13 pm

Matt,

Have you ever heard the story about how Henry Ford decided to pay his workers a decent wage, so that they could turn around and buy his Model T?

#14 JD Brady on 12.21.19 at 5:29 pm

Control the money controls the people. It’s called agenda 21 and or agenda 2030. It’s all the same. This is the goal!
Rosa Koire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PrY7nFbwAY

#15 Moses6 on 12.21.19 at 7:10 pm

when you are against union , you are against higher wages, best paying job I think in town is a delivery driver hauling packages.

#16 Erica on 12.21.19 at 11:32 pm

So you want the Govt to set all the standards, enforce them, and se the pricing (taxes) for them as well
Welcome to a nanny state. *smh* No thanks

Also, there is no such thing as a “living wage”. We all have our own “living wage” based on our own usage of utilities, rent/mortgage, food, etc. I sure as hell dont want the Govt to dictate the money or standards of any of them. We need LESS Govt not more.

#17 l3wis on 12.22.19 at 12:20 pm

Guy, it is ONLY illegal if you get caught. Think about it, why does the two competing hospitals pay nurses the same? You would think one would pay more?

It is also not illegal to list wages. Many companies do it. By listing your wages you are creating competition in the job market which will force employers to pay more if they want the people.

#18 "Very Stable Genius" on 12.22.19 at 1:54 pm

We have had “LESS” government since Reagan, and with it, the decline of the American middle class.

#19 Conservative Here on 12.22.19 at 3:42 pm

I can see both sides of the argument on these items but, I don’t think there is wage collusion and the reason is simple. This would require so many businesses to collude it would be impossible to hide. Scott your example of the hospitals is not a great one and here is my logic. In ANY industry in any location, there is only so much your going to pay a certain skill set and it caps off. If you go look at sites like Glass Door you can clearly see what people are making in a job. If you also think about it the only 2 places in town to be a nurse are Sandford or Avera (yes there are clinics) and the majority of jobs are there. I doubt they got together to say hey lets collude to keep wages down. They can simply use data available and know they only need to max out at a certain level. Its pretty simple and really not that hard to do. So I don’t think there is collusion, there is a market and its set.

This Living Wage argument is bogus and holds no water as everything is relative. My living wage may not mean the same thing to someone else and vice versus. What it takes to “live” depends on so many factors such as lifestyle, dependants, where you live, debt you carry, education level, discipline and your ability to manage money. I can take someone who makes 30k a year and if they have no dependents and are not living outside their means might “live” better than someone making 65k has 3 kids. The problem we have in our society is we have taking things that used to be luxuries or wants and made them “needs”. You don’t need a cell phone, Xbox, internet, car, etc. Yes this makes life easier and convienent but, you dont need them to live.

#20 Jimmy Doxx on 12.22.19 at 8:39 pm

Trickle down economics works. Tax breaks for the rich. It will create higher wages. – Republican Delusion

#21 "Woodstock" on 12.23.19 at 12:27 am

“Trickle down works great if you are in control of a spigot and don’t turn the valve on”…

#22 Ebgbjo@gmail.com on 12.23.19 at 12:30 am

JD Brady, dead on about Agenda21 & Agenda2030. People better pay attention bc it is exactly what the nwo elites and puppets are pushing for and the sleeping sheep that dont know any better are all too happy to beg for.

#23 The Guy from Guernsey on 12.23.19 at 10:04 am

l3wis,
You are correct, anticompetitive practices can only be prosecuted as ‘illegal’ if the players are caught. Usually involves informants and recorded ‘meetings’ via informants.
I think wage collusion as it might exist in Sioux Falls is less formal.
About the two hospital systems – I agree about the similar [and underpaid] nature of compensation, especially to nurses and others on the daily front-line of producing revenue.
These two are also prime example of that which is not a perfectly competitive market for anything, including compensation to employees (it is a duopoly).
I didn’t intend to infer that sharing of price/wage info is illegal. That which IS illegal is to reach agreement among participants to fix wages, prices or output. To me, sharing/receiving info on wages, prices or output is part of the process involved in the illegal act of market fixing. To require that wage information be included with every position listing would only mean that this agenda item could be omitted from a meeting of market fixing participants – were that type of meeting to be scheduled. To require this info to be included with job listings would also make it easier for lazy business owners to participate in the informal process of wage collusion. They wouldn’t even have to put any effort into discovery of ‘a common ground’ on which to pay employees on order to be par with other businesses.

#24 The Guy from Guernsey on 12.23.19 at 10:13 am

I think there is a ‘conformist’ component to the wage collusion in Sioux Falls.
One of your regular posters will likely agree and refresh everyone’s memory that those who own the means of production even conform as to neighborhoods of residence, color of home and model and color of vehicle.
Most employers apparently are comfortable to blend into the taupe faux-masonary of the labor market and then complain that ‘there aren’t enough qualified employees to run my business’.
And why not? The prevailing attitude of the Mickelson Republicans who run this state is that a proper role of government is to attract and train the labor component for the business owners.
A government policy to require that all job listings contain wage information only allows a business owner to more easily define the taupe environment of wages in which many want to conform.
Relative to complaints from business owners about a lack of employees, politicians in this state need to adopt the stock reply, “Need employees? Step up! Stand out! Compete for the labor resource which YOU need for YOUR business”.

#25 "Very Stable Genius" on 12.23.19 at 1:37 pm

The developers might compete at times, but for the most part all of the significant players in this town work in a very choreographic manner. You can’t help, but notice this. Trust me, there is wage collusion in this town and state, and it needs to end.

In addition, the unwillingness of the developers in this town to build median priced homes is causing a rise in property taxes for many, while their wages are stagnant or not keeping up pace.

Our leaders in town, both private and public, are allowing a public policy towards wages and housing to grow within a pressure cooker, that is eventually going to blow, and when it does, the rich will still be rich, the poor still poor, and the city worse off than it would have been if our leaders had really cared about its fellow citizens beyond some Arcs, a restored theater, a dented Events Center, and a Bunker Ramp.

#26 LOW PAYING JOBS. WE HAVE THEM. on 12.23.19 at 11:22 pm

I believe there is a correlation between wages and job availability. At least that is what my studies in post Civil War labor economics told me many years ago about plantations.

#27 YANG! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. on 12.23.19 at 11:32 pm

Ten to fifteen years from now, all of these “jobs” will go away thanks to AI. Then we will all just be sitting around and saying: “Dang, I should have voted for Yang!”