While people like thune and noem try to turn RR into a saint who derves a national holiday, the truth is out there. When I think of the Reagan crowning, I think Iran/Contra and Osama Bin Laden. Yeah…those are quite the legacy.
10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendency.
Reagan was one of the most destructive presidents ever.
I often ponder if Carter would have stayed in office, would we better off? Alternative energy, anti-terrorism. I remember a few days after the election, the smartest man I have ever known, my grandpa Carl said, “I voted for Carter, I think he has been a good president. I don’t know what to think of this Reagan guy.” That has stuck with me for years. I often scratch my head when people like Thune and Noem sucker South Dakotans into believing that GOP bullshit. My grandpa was the essence of SD, he had immigrant parents, he farmed, owned a restaurant and construction business and was one of the most respected people in his community. In other words he had a BS detector.
Reagan was full of shit from the beginning, and these people who defend him need to get a life.
Next time you find yourself pondering what the US would have looked like if Carter had been re-elected just think of the growing list of European countries that have, one by one over the past 30 years, departed or are in the process of departing from relevancy in the world.
I think Carter will be judged much higher by history as he is in the present day, just as soon as our society evolves to loving diplomacy as much as we love war.
In my lifetime? Probably not… but eventually. For the time being he will remain the favorite punching bag of the Conservatives if for no other reason than he was the last single-term Democratic President which suggests he must have done something wrong to not be re-elected.
As to Reagan, the GOP needed a front man to play the part, so they got an actor. However if you tried to enact Reagan-era tax structure today as well as the spending policies of his administration, the Republicans would cry foul and say the tax rates are far too high and spending is out of control.
Oh how we soon forget.
Granted the Democrats did the same thing with Obama as far as picking him based upon his facade rather than his substance. He makes a good frontman, but pull back the curtain and there really isn’t much there. The only difference with Obama is (as far as we know) he isn’t suffering from a debilitating mental condition that his handlers are having to cover up.
you may never get it.
Reagan was just a man.
you are no differant, exactly the same, equal to… the kook right wing idiots at places like freep who claim pres. obama or carter is a pos.
if only more voters would see both parties have their good and their bad points and the only way things get accomplished are when ideas are combined for the good of all.
atacking one man as you do is not only juvenile but also shows your ignorance concerning politics in the U.S.
who controlled congress when Reagan was pres.? Reagan gets credit for things – good and bad, congress gets credit for things – good and bad. Carter,Obama, etc.
Jeff – Really? So what you are saying is that either Reagan didn’t know about the foolish decisions he was making, or someone else was making them for him? I’ll give Ronnie one thing, he was smart, he knew exactly what was going on. As for the POS statement. I stand by it, the decisions he made during his presidency were destructive. He was the 2nd worst president we ever had, and that is why it chaps my ass when people put him on a pedestal. Why not put Ford or Hayes on pedestal? Or heck, my favorite president, Truman? I won’t tolerate the love fest for Reagan and last I checked this was my blog, and if I want to call Reagan a PIECE OF SHIT I will. Tough titty.
I can’t figure out what the big deal is over Reagan’s 100th birthday is. I don’t remember a big deal being made over any other President’s 100th birthday.
You probably don’t remember because most of them from the modern era wouldn’t yet be 100, and those that do surely don’t have a wife who is still kicking.
As far as Reagan being the second worst President that might be a stretch. Nixon anyone? Jackson? Hell there are half a dozen of them from the 1800s that make Reagan look as if he would be capable of walking on water. Truth be told, I don’t think history will judge GWB as being the worst either. Worst in modern history perhaps, but throughout American history he might not even break the bottom five.
Jackson? WTF! While I think Mr. Jackson did some crazy shit, he also was a kickass populist. Janks reminds me of Jackson a little. Doing good stuff offsets me doing really bad stuff. Not.
While people like thune and noem try to turn RR into a saint who derves a national holiday, the truth is out there. When I think of the Reagan crowning, I think Iran/Contra and Osama Bin Laden. Yeah…those are quite the legacy.
From
http://theworldofhowey.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/happy-birthday-ronnie/
10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendency.
Reagan was one of the most destructive presidents ever.
I often ponder if Carter would have stayed in office, would we better off? Alternative energy, anti-terrorism. I remember a few days after the election, the smartest man I have ever known, my grandpa Carl said, “I voted for Carter, I think he has been a good president. I don’t know what to think of this Reagan guy.” That has stuck with me for years. I often scratch my head when people like Thune and Noem sucker South Dakotans into believing that GOP bullshit. My grandpa was the essence of SD, he had immigrant parents, he farmed, owned a restaurant and construction business and was one of the most respected people in his community. In other words he had a BS detector.
Reagan was full of shit from the beginning, and these people who defend him need to get a life.
Next time you find yourself pondering what the US would have looked like if Carter had been re-elected just think of the growing list of European countries that have, one by one over the past 30 years, departed or are in the process of departing from relevancy in the world.
I think Carter will be judged much higher by history as he is in the present day, just as soon as our society evolves to loving diplomacy as much as we love war.
In my lifetime? Probably not… but eventually. For the time being he will remain the favorite punching bag of the Conservatives if for no other reason than he was the last single-term Democratic President which suggests he must have done something wrong to not be re-elected.
As to Reagan, the GOP needed a front man to play the part, so they got an actor. However if you tried to enact Reagan-era tax structure today as well as the spending policies of his administration, the Republicans would cry foul and say the tax rates are far too high and spending is out of control.
Oh how we soon forget.
Granted the Democrats did the same thing with Obama as far as picking him based upon his facade rather than his substance. He makes a good frontman, but pull back the curtain and there really isn’t much there. The only difference with Obama is (as far as we know) he isn’t suffering from a debilitating mental condition that his handlers are having to cover up.
you may never get it.
Reagan was just a man.
you are no differant, exactly the same, equal to… the kook right wing idiots at places like freep who claim pres. obama or carter is a pos.
if only more voters would see both parties have their good and their bad points and the only way things get accomplished are when ideas are combined for the good of all.
atacking one man as you do is not only juvenile but also shows your ignorance concerning politics in the U.S.
who controlled congress when Reagan was pres.? Reagan gets credit for things – good and bad, congress gets credit for things – good and bad. Carter,Obama, etc.
Jeff – Really? So what you are saying is that either Reagan didn’t know about the foolish decisions he was making, or someone else was making them for him? I’ll give Ronnie one thing, he was smart, he knew exactly what was going on. As for the POS statement. I stand by it, the decisions he made during his presidency were destructive. He was the 2nd worst president we ever had, and that is why it chaps my ass when people put him on a pedestal. Why not put Ford or Hayes on pedestal? Or heck, my favorite president, Truman? I won’t tolerate the love fest for Reagan and last I checked this was my blog, and if I want to call Reagan a PIECE OF SHIT I will. Tough titty.
wow. i guess only like minded people should post here.
“PIECE OF SHIT” lol
I can’t figure out what the big deal is over Reagan’s 100th birthday is. I don’t remember a big deal being made over any other President’s 100th birthday.
Joan proves my point.
You probably don’t remember because most of them from the modern era wouldn’t yet be 100, and those that do surely don’t have a wife who is still kicking.
As far as Reagan being the second worst President that might be a stretch. Nixon anyone? Jackson? Hell there are half a dozen of them from the 1800s that make Reagan look as if he would be capable of walking on water. Truth be told, I don’t think history will judge GWB as being the worst either. Worst in modern history perhaps, but throughout American history he might not even break the bottom five.
Jackson? WTF! While I think Mr. Jackson did some crazy shit, he also was a kickass populist. Janks reminds me of Jackson a little. Doing good stuff offsets me doing really bad stuff. Not.
Nixon was a jackass, but a smart person.
McKinley ranks up there to.