He already hit his sale goal. I bet he cleaned out all of his modern rifles already PLUS the regular magazines that have been sitting there for 3.5 years. And it isn’t because school shootings. It is because of the threat of the AWB. Thank God I got mine already.
The problem is that most all of the crazy’s already have their guns and plenty of ammo. And what many people don’t know is that with enough money and a clean record anyone can legally buy and use a real machine gun, and I’m not talking about an all black hunting rifle that can hold more than 5 bullets. See for yourself. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323138443
This is just one more issue where you do not want to let the politicans make up more rules that will do nothing to stop school violence. They are the ones who live outside the rules. The ones in DC are many times worse that the ones locally you all rant about here.
Schumer is one of very few private citizens of NYC who can concealed carry in NYC. Feinstein was one of the first private citizen’s in San Francisco allowed to have a concealed carry pistol permit. Armed guards already protect the schools of many of the people in Congress, but they make fun of and are outraged if the NRA suggests it for the rest of the country.
People who want guns can get them. Buy the parts and assemble it. A better approach for schools is improved security & camera systems. Price has come down. Much can be controlled wireless or with internet without expensive installation. The price is less than 3 years cost for a cop. Doors can be locked remotely and immefiately.
I imagine the gun dealer, alert to opportunity, must calculate that every 4 to 6 months, a shooting massacre will occurr. Knowing this, they probably mark their calendars for placing gun and ammo orders to be able to capitalize on the the post-massacre increase in sales. Its just smart business and all legal.
Shyne- you say it like it is a big secret. really it isn’t. And I am offended that you call me crazy. I think if you got to know me you would like me more.
XD – Let’s not go down the name calling path. I don’t think responsible gun owners are crazy, I just think some of your ‘ideals’ when it comes to gun ownership are a little off base. Face it, some people just don’t agree with you, I certainly don’t.
I agree. Name calling doesn’t help. I am just a little upset that the author of this picture “thinks” that gun manufacturers and gun retailers wish for school shootings. The Gun sales afterward was the result of the AWB that was thrown around by a certain Senator from California.
Xdsteel, I certainly did not mean that all gun owners are crazy, if that were the case I would be bat$#!T crazy. I just meant that there are crazy people out there that just happen to own guns. I think in today’s world you would be crazy not to protect yourself. Chances are we would get along if we don’t already know each other. I enjoy the work of Jeremy Tanner, Eugene Stoner and Mikhail to name a few.
Class III devices are not a secret to you and I but to many of the uninformed they are.
I have my guns already and am still not insane, so I have an offtopic question. or maybe there’s another blog coming up about this: How did the snowgates work today?
LJL, for the people too old to push a contraption like that around or too poor to afford one I think county jail prisoners should have to go around shoveling out driveways. Homeowners could pay with hot cocoa or something.
So many old excusses without looking at current reality. The crazies do not all have a automatic weapon already.
The last two mass killings, Connecticut and Colorado, were done by people that did not have a long history of having guns. They bought or borrowed them recently by people who get their guns through normal legal outlets. That is the kind of person that could not get those guns if they were illegal. The drug dealers are the ones that get guns illegally. The frustrated rich kid that goes nuts is the problems we are dealing with now days. They do not have crime syndicate connections. So strict gun control on psychos getting guns would stop them from getting them and organized crime would probably still get theirs. Gun control would not stop all gun crime but it would reduce the type we have suffered through lately.
Just like any other law. Some will still do wrong but the law and the enforcement of it does reduce the amount of crime. The excuss that it would not stop all crime could be used for any law.
XD…was just pondering your post. The first in this thread. I’m just really curious why you feel the need to thank God you got yours already. Does your paranoia really run that deep?
The reason for the 2nd amendment is to maintain an active militia and to protect yourself and your property. Government must know you (potentially) are armed. SFPD or the city code enforcer would come straight into your home if they knew you weren’t armed. There is potential for a terrorist or nuclear attack. If you don’t own a gun, you’re going to be surprised when most of your neighborhood is armed and ready to protect your neighborhood. We’ll need you to make fudge with the grandmothers so you’re important too.
pathloss – NOWHERE in th 2nd amendment are self-protection or propety protection mentioned. The ONLY purpose mentioned in the 2nd for the keeping and bearing of arms is for the protection of the nation. The ONLY purpose.
Property protection is mentioned in the 5th amendment.
Personal protection is mentioned NOWHERE in ANY clause.
The interpretation of the 2nd to include personal protection by the SCOTUS is – IMO – an ERROR. It is an interpretation that does NOT comply with the whole “original intenet” doctrine – a cornerstone of the conservative ideology.
That was a looooong read XD. But I got thru it. Don’t get me wrong. My own son who I introduced to hunting thinks Ted Nugent walks on water. As you can imagine on this subject we are far apart, but we continue as father and son in spite of his “collection.” I’ll take the last line of your read.
“We must prepare for violence like the firefighter prepares for fire. And we must do that today.”
Unlike the NRA, firefighters do not endorse matches for profit.
JR – Thank you. I like how he pointed out the obvious problem in our country, the lack of serious gun control. I also liked his closing statement, “We don’t lack answers to our problems in America, we lack courage.” And that can be said about all levels of government. Not to get on the snowgate soapbox, but that is what I saw that night, a lack of courage.
He already hit his sale goal. I bet he cleaned out all of his modern rifles already PLUS the regular magazines that have been sitting there for 3.5 years. And it isn’t because school shootings. It is because of the threat of the AWB. Thank God I got mine already.
Keep reading the book of crazy.
Beside this isn’t really original.
Well maybe one of these days it will sink in.
The problem is that most all of the crazy’s already have their guns and plenty of ammo. And what many people don’t know is that with enough money and a clean record anyone can legally buy and use a real machine gun, and I’m not talking about an all black hunting rifle that can hold more than 5 bullets. See for yourself. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323138443
This is just one more issue where you do not want to let the politicans make up more rules that will do nothing to stop school violence. They are the ones who live outside the rules. The ones in DC are many times worse that the ones locally you all rant about here.
Schumer is one of very few private citizens of NYC who can concealed carry in NYC. Feinstein was one of the first private citizen’s in San Francisco allowed to have a concealed carry pistol permit. Armed guards already protect the schools of many of the people in Congress, but they make fun of and are outraged if the NRA suggests it for the rest of the country.
People who want guns can get them. Buy the parts and assemble it. A better approach for schools is improved security & camera systems. Price has come down. Much can be controlled wireless or with internet without expensive installation. The price is less than 3 years cost for a cop. Doors can be locked remotely and immefiately.
Ok 5 years considering SFPD salary & benefits. Or even 4 years with competitive bid process so Huether doesn’t take his side bribe.
I imagine the gun dealer, alert to opportunity, must calculate that every 4 to 6 months, a shooting massacre will occurr. Knowing this, they probably mark their calendars for placing gun and ammo orders to be able to capitalize on the the post-massacre increase in sales. Its just smart business and all legal.
Shyne- you say it like it is a big secret. really it isn’t. And I am offended that you call me crazy. I think if you got to know me you would like me more.
XD – Let’s not go down the name calling path. I don’t think responsible gun owners are crazy, I just think some of your ‘ideals’ when it comes to gun ownership are a little off base. Face it, some people just don’t agree with you, I certainly don’t.
I agree. Name calling doesn’t help. I am just a little upset that the author of this picture “thinks” that gun manufacturers and gun retailers wish for school shootings. The Gun sales afterward was the result of the AWB that was thrown around by a certain Senator from California.
Xdsteel, I certainly did not mean that all gun owners are crazy, if that were the case I would be bat$#!T crazy. I just meant that there are crazy people out there that just happen to own guns. I think in today’s world you would be crazy not to protect yourself. Chances are we would get along if we don’t already know each other. I enjoy the work of Jeremy Tanner, Eugene Stoner and Mikhail to name a few.
Class III devices are not a secret to you and I but to many of the uninformed they are.
http://wonkette.com/494735/florida-pawn-shop-owner-will-sell-no-more-guns-forever#more-494735
I have my guns already and am still not insane, so I have an offtopic question. or maybe there’s another blog coming up about this: How did the snowgates work today?
Grudz—-Mine worked great. Started on the first pull and didn’t cost the taxpayers 1 dime.
LJL, for the people too old to push a contraption like that around or too poor to afford one I think county jail prisoners should have to go around shoveling out driveways. Homeowners could pay with hot cocoa or something.
So many old excusses without looking at current reality. The crazies do not all have a automatic weapon already.
The last two mass killings, Connecticut and Colorado, were done by people that did not have a long history of having guns. They bought or borrowed them recently by people who get their guns through normal legal outlets. That is the kind of person that could not get those guns if they were illegal. The drug dealers are the ones that get guns illegally. The frustrated rich kid that goes nuts is the problems we are dealing with now days. They do not have crime syndicate connections. So strict gun control on psychos getting guns would stop them from getting them and organized crime would probably still get theirs. Gun control would not stop all gun crime but it would reduce the type we have suffered through lately.
Just like any other law. Some will still do wrong but the law and the enforcement of it does reduce the amount of crime. The excuss that it would not stop all crime could be used for any law.
Kinda hyjacked the conversation. anominous-good for the guy. Glad he feels better. I bet he sold the rest of his guns for a pretty penny though.
XD…was just pondering your post. The first in this thread. I’m just really curious why you feel the need to thank God you got yours already. Does your paranoia really run that deep?
Poly- Sorry I am not going to take your bait.
You won’t take my bait, but you’ll take every AR 15 and 30 round magazine you can get your hands on….right?
Paranoia!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQEDvqmAfqg
Not paranoid. Just prepared.
OK then. We’ll call it prepared. Why the need to be so prepared? What exactly is the average citizen missing out on by not preparing as you do?
http://m.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-gun-control/2012/12/21/6ffe0ae8-49fd-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story.html
Wayne – actually – a mass shooting (defined as 4+ people slain by one perswon) occurs on average once every two weeks in the US.
In addition MOST of the 90 +/- gun deaths PER DAY (over 30,000/year) in the US are not gang related – they are domestically related.
Since the big story school shooting dozens more children (under 12) have been killed by guns.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html
The reason for the 2nd amendment is to maintain an active militia and to protect yourself and your property. Government must know you (potentially) are armed. SFPD or the city code enforcer would come straight into your home if they knew you weren’t armed. There is potential for a terrorist or nuclear attack. If you don’t own a gun, you’re going to be surprised when most of your neighborhood is armed and ready to protect your neighborhood. We’ll need you to make fudge with the grandmothers so you’re important too.
Poly-I Just got a feeling. I am not privy to the discussions in Washigton. I guess I would say pick up a paper and read and make your own choices.
http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial
Mr. Gant was vindicated in his actions.
I guess that’s that.
pathloss – NOWHERE in th 2nd amendment are self-protection or propety protection mentioned. The ONLY purpose mentioned in the 2nd for the keeping and bearing of arms is for the protection of the nation. The ONLY purpose.
Property protection is mentioned in the 5th amendment.
Personal protection is mentioned NOWHERE in ANY clause.
The interpretation of the 2nd to include personal protection by the SCOTUS is – IMO – an ERROR. It is an interpretation that does NOT comply with the whole “original intenet” doctrine – a cornerstone of the conservative ideology.
That was a looooong read XD. But I got thru it. Don’t get me wrong. My own son who I introduced to hunting thinks Ted Nugent walks on water. As you can imagine on this subject we are far apart, but we continue as father and son in spite of his “collection.” I’ll take the last line of your read.
“We must prepare for violence like the firefighter prepares for fire. And we must do that today.”
Unlike the NRA, firefighters do not endorse matches for profit.
This is the best take on this I’ve seen so far.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/12/22/exp-fareeds-take-guns.cnn
JR – Thank you. I like how he pointed out the obvious problem in our country, the lack of serious gun control. I also liked his closing statement, “We don’t lack answers to our problems in America, we lack courage.” And that can be said about all levels of government. Not to get on the snowgate soapbox, but that is what I saw that night, a lack of courage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jrJjlPH1dqo