Newland slams Powers

From my email box (still laughing about the Republican principals);

Hello,

This message is going to several blog moderators. I spend a little time on Mt Blogmore and Sd Watch and War College, but I don’t have much browsing time, so I have to admit I am most likely not familiar with the politics of your blog.

I also admit that I have a grudge match going with Pat Powers (War College). Whenever I attempt to have a political philosophy discussion with him, he deletes my questions. The question I ask is, “Who owns you?”

This all stems from the drubbing he took, from lots of people, for his asinine reasons for opposing the medical cannabis initiative in 2006 and, more recently, when he reiterated them a month ago, in an exchange that as totally disappeared from his site, as far as I can tell.

I’m sending this in case you think it’s worth posting for comments. I also invite you to look at the site for the Medical Cannabis Campaign.

Unless you tell me not to send it, I’ll probably regularly send you information about our campaign.

War College currently has some typical hypocrisy posted about what Pat Powers’s (he calls himself PP) idea of being a Republican.

I edited PP’s post, trying to make it ring with a more accurate tone. My additions arein bold.

I, PP the Blogger, Am A Republican Because…

I believe the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person’s dignity freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored, except those people for whom government-approved medicine doesn’t work.

I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability, except when said disability is accompanied by  life-threatening muscle spasms or pain that can only be quelled by cannabis.

I believe free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity, which we squander prosecuting people whose doctors and they believe cannabis is beneficial for their ailments.

I believe that government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of the money they earn, except those individuals whose medicine of necessity is less expensive and less toxic to them than the stuff their doctors can prescribe.

I believe the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations and that the best government is that which governs least and has the greatest suspicion that someone, somewhere is medicating (even under a doctor’s advice) with illegal medicine.

I believe the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people, close enough to protect them from using non-governmental approved medicine that is safer than aspirin and nearly as miraculous.

I believe Americans must retain the principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of changing times. Those principles necessitate our feigning blindness from time to time.

I believe Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world. Right.

Finally, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles. Sure has been so far.

Now let’s take a Prozac and go stick some quarters in video lottery machines and get drunk. In South Dakota, of course.

Merry Weekend Before Christmas, Everyone
Bob



27 comments ↓

#1 PP at the SDWC on 12.22.08 at 7:52 am

With regards to Bob’s comment “disappearing,” That’s actually not a correct statement. It never did appear.

(As I’d mentioned long ago) Because of Bob spamming my boards, I started moderating all of Bob’s comments because they went from the obscene to just plain drug addled. In fact at times it would get bad enough (think over a hundred a day) where I was compelled to lodge complaints with his ISP.

Of course, they were always off topic.

Mention my kids – Bob would talk about pot. Mention education – Bob would talk about pot. Talk about which GOP candidate most closely follows stated GOP ideals – amazingly, Bob made it about pot.

Sibby sounds intelligent and reasonable in comparison to Bob. Not to mention he can follow rules about spamming a board.

Hence, If Bob ever talked about something besides pot, then maybe he wouldn’t find himself moderated.

#2 l3wis on 12.22.08 at 8:14 am

First off Pat, it’s not ‘Pot’ it’s medical mary jane. Secondly, not sure if you have ever met Bob, but I found him to be an extremely intelligent and compassionate person, not a fear mongering ignorant Republican. Don’t bash something you know NOTHING about. If you choose not to educate yourself about the advantages of Medical Cannabis please don’t write falsehoods about it.

#3 Ghost of Dude on 12.22.08 at 8:18 am

Total legalization would never work. What would potheads talk about then? Science? Just kidding on that. I’d have no problem legalizing pot for any reason.

Legalizing weed at least for medical purposes would be a great thing. I don’t understand the fear of it.

However, Bob needs to get a life.

#4 Bob Newland on 12.22.08 at 9:37 am

Pat Powers distorts the truth considerably in his note, above.

He’s right in that I did spam his board, and that was juvenile. But the fact remains that he will not enter into a reasonable discussion about medical cannabis. And he won’t answer the question.

If you’re talking about Republican principles, then it’s a fair move to point out where you are exercising hypocrisy. Seeya in Pierre, Powers.

If either Powers or Ghost ever talked to a fibromyalgia sufferer who must take a puff out of a pipe before the pain subsides enough for her to hold her children, they might not be so glib about my “getting a life.”

#5 l3wis on 12.22.08 at 9:40 am

It’s like this comedian asked a crowd one time, “Raise your hand if you think Marijuana is more harmful then bacon.” Not a single person raised their hands. And the comedian went on to say, “What? No bacon defenders?” Pat is a bacon defender.

#6 Ghost of Dude on 12.22.08 at 9:53 am

If either Powers or Ghost ever talked to a fibromyalgia sufferer who must take a puff out of a pipe before the pain subsides enough for her to hold her children, they might not be so glib about my “getting a life.

I’m not glib at all about you getting a life. You really should.
If 14 year old kids have less trouble getting pot than they do alcohol, then your fibromyalgia sufferer shouldn’t have any problem either.
I’ll continue to vote yes on any attempt at legalization, but spamming blogs about it is just too much work. I have a life.

#7 l3wis on 12.22.08 at 10:06 am

I need to find myself a 14 year old friend.

#8 Ghost of Dude on 12.22.08 at 10:39 am

Chris Hansen form Dateline NBC would like you to have a seat over there…

But seriously, it really isn’t hard for anyone at any age to find pot. The only problem is that you sometimes have to deal with skeevy characters to get it.
Too much money is wasted fighting pot when it would be so much more useful to use it fighting harmful drugs like meth.

#9 Bob Newland on 12.22.08 at 11:49 am

I see that PP has shut off his RSS blog headlines feed, likely because it directed people here for a butt-kickin’ party.

I suggest you go to War College and respond to his Republican Principles topic.

#10 l3wis on 12.22.08 at 12:15 pm

Legalize it, tax it and have a gay ol’ time.

There was a poll done a couple of years back that said that either 75% of Americans have either tried or currently smoke weed.

I think it has a good chance of becoming legal within the next 10 years.

#11 hossenpheffer on 12.22.08 at 12:16 pm

prozac and alcohol cause for a might dizzy buzz

#12 l3wis on 12.22.08 at 12:19 pm

Not to mention adding the sound of the Mario Brothers VL lottery machine music . . . what a trip.

#13 pp on 12.22.08 at 12:43 pm

Hit reload Bob.its in an update cycle.

And unless my memory has been adversely affected (unlike regular pot users, whom we know have memory issues) I responded with my objections to your pot legalization – yet you keep asking for a response as if it is going to change with repetition.

Guess what? It isn’t.

It should remain illegal, users should be arrested, and pot growers should spend time in state prison.

#14 l3wis on 12.22.08 at 1:06 pm

“and pot growers should spend time in state prison.”

Because that is such a great use of taxpayer money. Your dad brainwashed you well.

#15 Ghost of Dude on 12.22.08 at 1:40 pm

What harm does weed cause society that alcohol doesn’t?
I’ve got a shiney new idea: Ban alcohol too! It’ll usher in a golden age of morality, industriousness, and chastity!
Oh wait… we tried that, and just like with weed today, people drank more during prohibition than before adn the profits from alcohol sales went under the mattresses of guys like Al Capone.

#16 l3wis on 12.22.08 at 1:58 pm

Rocco wrote a great article on how the criminalization of weed came about (has to do with prohibition): http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/7943/399/1600/978268/SCROUNGERSUNITE4.jpg

I have a feeling Pat’s dad made him watch ‘Reefer Madness’ one too many times as a child:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness

Think Alex from Clockwork Orange and the Nazi movies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange

#17 l3wis on 12.22.08 at 2:17 pm

Bob- I tried to link this thread in the comments area over at the WussCollege but Pity Pat deleted it. That’s okay, I have more readers then him, so we’ll get the message out.

#18 Ghost of Dude on 12.22.08 at 3:04 pm

I have a feeling Pat’s dad made him watch ‘Reefer Madness’ one too many times as a child:

Did you ever see the musical version? Comedy gold. Some of the best satire out there.

“It’s stealthy as a socialist
Knocking at our doors
Turning all our children
Into hooligans and whores!”

#19 Bob Newland on 12.22.08 at 3:27 pm

As I said in Republican Principles #8, some folks need to feign blindness to defend their own positions. Powers does it as well as anyone.

Who owns you , Pat? Who owns me?

#20 Bob Newland on 12.22.08 at 3:30 pm

The best I could ever get out of you, Pat, was that marijuana is illegal and that’s why it should be illegal.

There’s no doubt in my mind you would have justified slavery on a similar basis, had you been around 150 years ago.

#21 Ghost of Dude on 12.22.08 at 3:42 pm

I have yet to hear a logical argument from anyone as to why weed should be illegal. Not one.

#22 l3wis on 12.22.08 at 4:23 pm

GoD – because it gets you high and makes you feel good, and BTW, it is all natural.

How can Oxycotin compete with that?

#23 Carl on 12.22.08 at 5:45 pm

Ever notice that every time this issue comes up at that idiot War College blog none of Pat’s readers speak up against it? He’s out on the fringes on this issue, and there’s no doubt he’s just following the party line his cop dad taught him.

Personally, I’d rather be drug-addled than propaganda-addled like Powers. At least the drug-addled can think for themselves.

#24 hosepheffer on 12.22.08 at 5:48 pm

Oxycodone, the active ingredient of OxyContin, is a highly addictive drug, similar to morphine. It is classified as a Schedule II controlled substance by the DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency). Addiction can occur after only 5 to 7 days of use. Symptoms of OxyContin withdrawal are the same as any withdrawal from narcotic addiction. These symptoms can begin within hours of the last use and last up to 1 week. The symptoms include:

* Nausea and diarrhea
* Intense body pain
* Abdominal cramping
* Tremors
* Muscle cramps and spasms
* Chills
* Running nose and eyes
* Heavy sweating
* Insomnia
* Anxiety
* Paranoia
* Depression

Marijuana use has been recorded to date back as far as 5,000 years (there has never been a single death attributed to the use of marijuana). If you are unfamiliar with its use then you should know that occasionally undesirable side effects might occur. Being informed can aid in more effective use of this herbal remedy.
* Hunger
* Insomnia
* Thirst
* Red Eyes
* Giddiness

Well lets see… LOVE the Nausea and diarrhea, but the Heavy sweating and Chills would make any cancer patient want to eat. Give ’em the Rx Oxy, it LEGAL and HABIT FORMING.

#25 l3wis on 12.22.08 at 7:56 pm

Carl- I’m starting to wonder how many ‘readers’ he has since most of his commenters are ‘anon’, ‘anonymous’, or ‘annoner’. I’m all for anonimity, most people here are, but at least they have monickers so at least I know who I am responding to. It is so frustrating to have discussions over there when there is 3 people with monickers (mostly dems) and 900 people who are anon. I’m not asking conservatives to be creative (gawd knows that is virtually impossible) but would it be so freaking hard to come up with a monicker? Seriously. Like bush123 or cheney’sbitch or palinspervert? I know I can be a real ass over there sometimes, well a lot of the time, but It just makes me laugh when anon1 and anon2 rip into me about being ‘stupid’ and ‘insensitive’ I mean, really who the f’ck are you? Your so stupid you can’t even come up with a blogging nickname.

Yeah, pot scares the shit out of conservatives.

#26 Pat, we’re not attacking you, we’re attacking your ignorance » South DaCola on 12.23.08 at 7:20 am

[…] this week. As the potheads…. er, legalization supporters went on the attack against me this AM (here and here), I just haven’t had time to ignore them […]

#27 gonzo on 07.09.09 at 12:24 am

FREE BOB NEWLAND